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Thursday, June 18, 2009

Thomas Edison, Ice Cream, and Health Care (II)

 

I took off work early last week to catch a movie (alone - pathetic, but neither mad or my church friends were that into Drag Me to Hell).  Said theater sold me a bowl of ice cream (two scoops) for $3.75.  My first scoop of tart honey yogurt was really about three or four scoops - my server just kept packing it in.  By the time she started the second scoop the bowl was already overflowing.  Our conversation went something like this:

SD:  "Those sure are generous scoops"
Theater Employee:  "Well, I figured for $3.75 you could pretty much buy a half gallon of ice cream, and these scoops are really small"  (starts on third "second scoop")
SD:  "No, seriously, that's enough."

I won't fault generosity, but she was giving something that wasn't hers to give.  Said theater employee collects the same paycheck every week whether she scoops big scoops or small scoops.  And while her indulgence with the customers presumably impacts the bottom line of her employer, she's far enough removed from the financial consequences not to care.

The average American health care consumer is in the same boat as this theater employee.  Those with private insurance rarely pay anything beyond a small copay for prescriptions and doctor visits - their monthly premium (if any) is a fixed cost and often heavily subsidized by their employer.  Public insurance operates the same way, although usually without the premium or co-pay.  And even among the uninsured, many bills are forgiven or drastically reduced - with the attending doctor or hospital writing off much of the cost.

This detachment from the actual cost of health care leads to some bizarre economics.  A couple of stories:

#1:  Several years ago I was at the Target pharmacy.  The woman in front of me was uninsured and filling a prescription for Amoxicillin for her child.  The "pink stuff" that we get around here for routine ear infections costs about six or seven bucks, less than the average copay.  But this woman's doctor had filled a prescription for some new-fangled time release Amoxicillin that you take once a day instead of three times a day.    Cost of the prescription:  $77.  To their credit, the Target pharmacists tried several times to call her doctor to rewrite the prescription for garden variety Amoxicillin, to no end.  Finally, she sighed and muttered "I guess it will make her better" and plopped down the eighty bucks for the prescription. 

How do pharmaceutical companies get away with charging $77 for a drug that's therapeutically equivalent (yet slightly more convenient) than a $7 drug?  12-hour Tylenol don't cost no eighty bucks.  Easy:  the health care consumers don't usually pay $77.  They pay a co-pay (often not much more than $7) and are wowed by the convenience.  Easy to do when you're spending someone else's money.

#2:  Oregon was one of several states to pilot an "in-pharmacy nurse" program at a major chain pharmacy.  The premise of the program was simple : instead of spending big bucks to go to a doctor's office for routine prescriptions, the pharmacy had an RN on staff to write them for you.  The scope was limited to basic antibiotics, steroids, and maybe allergy medicines.  The cost of the service was covered by some insurance.  The cost to the uninsured was about $25 (vs $80+ for a doctor visit).  This program was ultimately discontinued in Oregon for lack of interest, the conclusion being (in part) that the public and private health insurance was "too good".  Why spend $25 for a visit when you can spend $80 of someone else's money? 

#3:  While I was a grad student we swapped one of Mad's prescriptions from a local discount store to a major chain pharmacy.  At the time, our insurance required us to pay for pharmaceuticals out of pocket and submit receipts for reimbursement.  The generic drug that cost $30 for 30 days at the discount store cost nearly $90 for 30 days at the chain pharmacy.  Same drug.  Same dose.  Same pills.  Why the premium?  Hard to say, but in general you'll find that retail pharmacies charge exorbitant prices relative to their discount store counterparts.  In any sort of sane economy the discount stores would drive the retail chains out of business or corner them in a niche after-hours pharmacy market.  But if you're spending someone else's money, there's no point in comparison shopping.

#4:  My first couple of years in Oregon I was miserable for allergies.  I considered buying Claritin over the counter but my starving grad student family couldn't stomach the $30/month for OTC pills.  My insurance, however, would provide me with 90 days of Allegra for a more manageable ~$25.  Never mind that the total cost to my insurer was closer to $200.  It was someone else's money.

 

The trick is that "someone else's money" is only applies to the very poor, who pay nothing because they have nothing, or the very sick, who pay for only a small fraction of what they consume.  For the rest of us, someone else's money comes back to haunt us as higher premiums or reduced benefits or, in the case of public insurance, higher taxes or cuts to existing services. 

To rein in costs, therefore, it's important that the consumer feel the (financial) pain of reckless spending or overconsumption of health care services.  Insurers already have some safeguards in place for this sort of thing, with tiered copays for brand name vs. generic drugs, emergency services vs. routine office visits, and specialists vs. primary care physicians.   But there are more novel approaches taking hold in the world of private insurance.

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I've recently run into an FDA/insurance problem that has been going on for the last decade, finally affected me personally.  We pay a LOT for my insurance.  I take relatively very few medications for the condition I've got, and I've chosen things like chiropractor over back surgery because it saves my insurance paying out an extra $10,000 or more (even though it's free for me), same results.  The FDA has been hitting generic drug companies that make drugs cheaper for the masses with this "labeling" problem, grinds them to a halt until they are run out of business, the insurance company gets wind of this and decide they're too nervous to pay for these drugs any more.  I spent hours on the phone with several reps and more hours online getting this info.  So a medication I was dependent on for years suddenly cost double for half the amount, and I checked-- NO insurance would pay for it, not even through the retail chain.  The pharmacists were very surprised, and looking back over my records were able to see that my pills had come from several different manufacturers in just the last couple of years.  I found online that there is a class action lawsuit that doctors are putting together against the FDA for going after drug companies over trivial things that force the consumer to pay full price, and in many cases causes so many problems with patients stopping their prescriptions and having severe withdrawal problems that some even wind up in the hospital.  In the long run, the FDA has caused more problems trying to get control over 'grandfather' drugs than illness has for many of these people.  I'm a casualty myself now.  This is actually a low-cost drug, but me being high maintenance and not able to work (I've never been hospitalized, and started having med reactions during a bad illness), I simply can't afford it.  In the last month I've paid more out in copays (and thus cost the insurance company more) over dealing with this severe drug withdrawal than I can afford, and I'm scraping the freezer for another week of food (I don't waste money on pop, chips, or alcohol).  I agree that any kind of health care can be an abusive system, but that goes both ways.  Patients abuse their privileges, but insurance companies actually encourage major surgeries over cheaper alternative treatments (I went round and round with a rep about chiropractics and physical therapy vs. cutting me open for a very controversial surgery), and it seems to me that the govt branch concerned with 'safety' is driving more medical economy than anyone with this little game of shutting down manufacturers without ever taking the drugs off the market.  The doctors I see are so frustrated, their hands are tied between all this, and now nationalized health care threatens their jobs.  I've seen more layoffs in several medical facilities just since the administration change than in the last ten years, and staff that I know personally are working such long hours now, and sometimes 9 straight days with no time off because they are so short handed.  I think the best thing I can do is try as much as possible to live independently of health care, period.  I'm allergic to so many drug families, and I'm getting off the last one I could count on because of this.  In the meantime, no matter how hard I try to be healthy and not need help, we are still sucked dry paying for insurance.  I really don't know why doctors can't just set their own rates.  One doctor tried to set his own flat rate in his office and was nearly shut down by the govt. for not running the standard practice.  Might not be long until health care goes contraband...
Posted 6/18/2009 1:20 PM by bluejacky - reply

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Not only are you going to the movies in the middle of the day, but you're splurging on tart honey yogurt ice cream! With someone else's money!

Where's Thomas Edison?
Posted 6/18/2009 1:21 PM by madhousewife Xanga True Member - reply

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Not only do people not care how much it costs if they are not paying directly, but both the healthcare industry and the insurance industry make it impossible to figure out how much anything actually costs, what is and isn't covered by your plan, and whether that bill you got in the mail is legit or not.
Posted 6/18/2009 7:07 PM by transvestite_rabbit Xanga True Member - reply

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@transvestite_rabbit - 

No kidding. I've never seen anything so complicated as medical billing. It's maddening.
Posted 6/18/2009 7:51 PM by madhousewife Xanga True Member - reply

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@transvestite_rabbit - 

I'm with you on that one. At least my mechanic or my contractor is willing to give me an estimate up front. I've found that 1:1 therapists (mental health, speech, OT) are the most likely to disclose an hourly rate, in that your treatment is rationed as a function of time. But there's no rhyme or reason to the amount charged for a routine doctor visit, nor for the amount covered by the insurance company. And there seems to be an almost intentional effort to sow confusion with medical billing and claims information (THIS IS NOT A BILL) although in recent years access to online claims records has made this a lot easier.

@bluejacky - 

to be clear, I'm not saying that abusive patients are the sole source of spiraling health care costs. As TR points out, there's enough general confusion that any or all involved parties are at liberty to bleed the other for money. Where I'm going with this is that a general culture of non-accountability and waste jacks up the cost of basic business to the point that insurance ultimately fails the chronically ill, who insurance is meant to provide the most benefit to. I'm interested to look into this FDA thing further - can you send a link? What you describe doesn't surprise me.
Posted 6/18/2009 9:26 PM by S__Diddy - reply

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So, how was the ice cream? -
Posted 6/23/2009 9:31 AM by Okiebu Xanga True Member - reply

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So jealous - your theater has ICE CREAM? For less than FIVE BUCKS?  And not just ice cream, but TART HONEY YOGURT?


You people make me sick. 


Our theater offers microwaved burgers (cost: first-born child), salty rubber pretzels (left arm), salty corn chips with melted yellow plasti-cheese (right arm), and always-slightly-stale-tasting popcorn (leg).  That's it.  Well, except for the ubiquitous boxes of candy (one hand or foot, your choice).


Oh, yeah, and:  Enjoyed your thoughts on healthcare.  Ever think of running for office? 

Posted 7/2/2009 6:19 AM by TheWoobDog - reply


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